The listener wants to understand the humanity behind the words of the other, and patiently summons one's own best self and one's own best words and questions.". [laughter]. I remember writing this poem because I really love the word lover, and its a kind of polarizing word. the world walking in, ready to be ravaged, open for business. Yet whats most stunning is how presciently and exquisitely Ocean spoke, and continues to speak, to the world we have since come to inhabit its heartbreak and its poetry, its possibilities for loss and for finding new life. , and its a villanelle, so its got a very strict rhyme scheme. In fact, Krista interviewed the wise and wonderful . Yeah. the trash, the rolling containers a song of suburban thunder. So is his love and study of the farmer-poet Wendell Berry, whose audiobook The Need to Be Whole Nick just recorded. What would happen if we used our bodies to bargain. "Right now we are in a fast river together every day there are changes that seemed unimaginable until they occurred." adrienne maree brown and others use many . Yeah. Dont get me wrong, I do We are fluent in the story of our time marked by catastrophe and dysfunction. And so its giving room to have those failures be a breaking open and for someone else to stand in it and bring whatever they want to it. And one of them this is also on The Hurting Kind is Lover, which is page 77. Krista Tippett is Peabody Award-winning broadcaster and New York Times best-selling author. The notion of frontier inner frontiers, outer frontiers weaves through this hour. It brings us back to something your grandmother was right about, for reasons she would never have imagined: you are what you eat. This is a moving and edifying conversation that is also, not surprisingly, a lot of fun. I feel like theres so many elements to that discovery. Before the new apartment. These full-body experiences of isolation and ungrieved losses and loneliness and fear and uncertainty. Tippett: The thesis. [audience laughs] And he had a little cage, I would make sure he was And he would get bundled up and carried from house to house. Good, good. But something I started thinking, with this frame, really, this sense of homecoming and our belonging in the natural world runs all the way through every single one of your poems. Youre very young. I think the failure of language is what really draws me to poetry in general. Limn: That you can be joyful and you can actually be really having a wonderful time. And the right habitat for that, for all human flourishing, is for us to begin with a sense of belonging, with a sense of ease, with a sense that even though we are desirous and even though we want all of these things, right now, being alive, being human is enough. brought to its knees, clung to by someone who But I think there was something deeper going on there, which was that idea of, Oh, this is when you pack up and you move. And I even had a pet mouse named Fred, which you would think I wouldve had a more creative name for the mouse, but his name was Fred. Tippett: And when you say I know one shouldnt take poems apart like this, but The thesis is the river. What does that mean? water, enough sorrow, enough of the air and its ease, In generational time, they are stitching relationship across rupture. But its about more than that. And Im sure it does for many of you, where you start to think about a phrase or a word comes to you and youre like, Is that a word? Youre like, With. I was actually born at home. Her volume The Carrying won the National Book Critics Circle Award for Poetry, and her book Bright Dead Things was a finalist for the National Book Award. "On Being," a weekly interview show about the mysteries of human existence, hosted by Krista Tippett, airs on nearly 400 public radio stations, with more than half a million weekly listeners . Precisely at a moment like this, of vast aching open questions and very few answers we can agree on, our questions themselves become powerful tools for living and growing. Two entirely different brains. Shes teaching me a lesson. We know joy to be a life-giving, resilience-making human birthright. It wasnt used as a tool. On Being with Krista Tippett. Its the thing that keeps us alive. And then thats also the space for us to sort of walk in as a reader being like, Whats happening here? [laughs]. and the one that is so relieved to finally be home. I grew up in Glen Ellen in Sonoma, California, born and raised. All of this, as Dacher sees it now, led him deeper and deeper into investigating the primary experience of awe in human life moments when we have a sense of wonder, an experience of mystery, that transcends our understanding. Thats such a wonderful question. Limn: Yeah. I am too used to nostalgia now, a sweet escape. that thered be nothing left in you, like The podcast's foundation is the same as the groundbreaking radio concept. Music: Seven League Boots by Zo Keating. I think its very dangerous not to have hope. That its not my neighborhood, and they look beautiful. I think thats something we didnt know how to talk about. just the bottlebrush alive Tippett: No, theres so much to enjoy. Its a prose poem. And if its weekly, theres a day of the week and you do it. And so its giving room to have those failures be a breaking open and for someone else to stand in it and bring whatever they want to it. And I know that when I discovered it for myself as a teenager that I thought, Oh, this is more like music where its like something is expressing itself to you and you are expressing yourself to it. Patel is a Deseret contributor. Yeah. strong and between sleep, We are in the final weeks as On Being evolves to its next chapter in a world that is evolving, each of us changed in myriad ways we've only begun to process and fathom. a certain light does a certain thing, enough And then there are times in a life, and in the life of the world, where only a poem perhaps in the form of the lyrics of a song, or a half sentence we ourselves write down can touch the mystery of ourselves, and the mystery of others. Or theres just something happens and you get all of a sudden for it to come flooding back. us, still right now, a softness like a worn fabric of a nightshirt, and what I do not say is: I trust the world to come back. Adventures into what can replenish and orient us in this wild ride of a time to be alive: biomimicry and the science of awe; spiritual contrarianism and social creativity; pause and poetry and more towards stretching into this world ahead with dignity . Replenishment and invigoration in your inbox. Tippett: Well, a lot of us I think are still a little agoraphobic. I have decided that Im here in this world to be moved by love and [to] let myself be moved by beauty. Which is such a wonderful mission statement. Yeah. Out here, theres a bowing even the trees are doing. Limn: [laughs] Yeah. We want to meet what is hard and hurting. Tippett: Yeah, it was completely unnatural. Limn: It is still the wind. We practice moral imagination; we embrace paradoxical curiosity; we sit with conflict and complexity; we create openings instead of seeking answers or providing reductive simplicity. Theres this poem which Ive never heard anybody ask you to read called Where the Circles Overlap, Tippett: In The Hurting Kind. and I never knew survival So would you read, its called Before, page 46. And if youd like to know more, we suggest you start with our Foundations for Being Alive Now. So that even when youre talking about the natural world: we are of it not in it. I wrote it and then I immediately sent it to an editor whos a friend of mine and said, I dont know if you want this. And it was up the next day on the website. But if you look at even the letters we use in our the A actually was initially a drawing of an ox, and M was water. The people who gather around On Being are part of the generative narrative of our time. [Music: Seven League Boots by Zo Keating]. One of the most fascinating developments of our time is that human qualities we have understood in terms of virtue experiences weve called spiritual are now being taken seriously by science as intelligence as elements of human wholeness. Few books have been more eagerly passed from hand to hand with delight in these last years than Robin Wall Kimmerers Braiding Sweetgrass. SHARE 'It's a hard time in the life of the world' a conversation with Krista Tippett. I feel like that between space, that liminal space, is a place where we were living for so long, and many of us still living in that between space of, How do I go into the world safely, and how do I move through the world with safety and care-take myself and care-take others. and buried, I go about my day, which isnt, ordinary, exactly, because nothing is ordinary Then in 2018, she published a brilliant essay called Complicating the Narratives, which she opened by confessing a professional existential crisis. Its a prose poem. has lost everything, when its not a weapon, On Being with Krista Tippett. you look back and beg And you could so a lot of what he knew in Spanish and remembered in Spanish were songs. We keep forgetting about Antlia, Centaurus, But mostly were forgetting were dead stars too, my mouth is full, of dust and I wish to reclaim the rising, to lean in the spotlight of streetlight with you, toward. maybe dove, maybe dunno to be honest, too embryonic, too see-through and wee. The thesis is still the wind. The thesis is still a river. The thesis has never been exile., Limn: Yeah. Journalist, National Humanities Medalist, and bestselling author Krista Tippett has created a singular space for reflection and conversation in American and global public life. But I think the biggest thing for me is to begin with silence. We have never been exiled. Its that Buddhist, the finger pointing at the moon, right? All right. with their fish tanks or eight-tracks or This is not a problem. These, it turns out, are as common in human life globally as they are measurably health-giving and immunity-boosting. I remember having this experience I was sort of very deeply alone during the early days of the pandemic when my husbands work brought him to another state. Thank you all for coming. The caesura and the line breaks, its breath. I think I enjoy getting older. I was actually born at home. between us there was the road Okay. And poetry is absolutely this is not something I knew would happen when I started this but poetry now is at the heart of. . It has ever and always been true, David Whyte reminds us, that so much of human experience is a conversation between loss and celebration. The Fetzer Institute, supporting a movement of organizations applying spiritual solutions to societys toughest problems. Every week: practices and goodies to accompany your listen. Tippett: So I feel like the last one Id like for you to read for us is A New National Anthem, which you read at your inauguration as Poet Laureate. Can you locate that? Two entirely different brains. And I think for all of us, kind of mark this, which is important. bliss before you know Right now we are in a fast river together every day there are changes that seemed unimaginable until they occurred. adrienne maree brown and others use many words and phrases to describe what she does, and who she is: A student of complexity. It is still the wind. Okay, Im going to give you some choices. And for us, it was Sundays. Return like a word, long forgotten and maligned. I never go there very much anymore. You will hear the voices of wise and graceful lives of former guests, and of listeners from far-flung places. Youre never like, Oh, Im just done grieving. I mean, you can pretend you are, right, but we arent. And both parents all four of my parents, I should say would point those things out, that special quality of connectedness that the natural world offers us. The fear response, the stress response, it had so many other kinds of ripple effects that were so perplexing. And there was an ease, I think, that living in the head-only world was kind of a poets dream on some level. If you live, The conversation of this hour always rises as an early experience that imprinted everything that came after at On Being. And that feels like its an active thing as opposed to a finished thing, a closed thing. We speak the language of questions. What happens after we die? And she says, Well, you die, and you get to be part of the Earth, and you get to be part of what happens next. And it was just a very sort of matter-of-fact way of looking at the world. We literally. Subscribe to the live your best life newsletter Sign up for the oprah.com live your best life newsletter Get more stories like this delivered to your inbox Get updates on your favorite . You ever think you could cry so hard Krista Tippett has spent more than a decade exploring important questions of life, questions that often involve faith, science and spirituality on her popular radio program and podcast, "On Being." I think this poem, for me, is very much about learning to find a home and a sense of belonging in a world where being at peace is actually frowned upon. recycling bin until you say, Man, we should really learn s wisdom and her poetry a refreshing, full-body experience of how this way with words and sound and silence teaches us about being human at all times, but especially now. You should take a nap. [laughter] I know its cruel. Shes teaching me a lesson. snaking underneath us as we absentmindly sing I think thats very true. And then what happened was the list that was in my head of poems I wasnt going to write became this poem. on all sides with want. And that is so much more present with us all the time. In 2014, Tippett was awarded the National Humanities Medal by U.S. President Barack Obama . Winters icy hand at the back of all of us. The great eye. The poets brain is always like that, but theres a little I was just doing the wash, and I was like, Casual, warm, and normal. And I was like, Ooh, I could really go for that.. I am human, enough I am alone and I am desperate, enough of the animal saving me, enough of the high. [Laughter] I feel like I could hear that response, right? We touch each other. Tippett: Was there a religious or spiritual background in your childhood there, however you would describe that now? Limn: Yeah. no one has been writing the year lately. 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