[31][32][33], MacArthur believes "that if you confess with your mouth Jesus as Lord, and believe in your heart that God raised Him from the dead, you will be saved" (Romans 10:9). As I trust that you would not deliberately bear false witness against me, can I ask that, in future, you read any comment very carefully before making such serious accusations? The challenge (as you have already pointed out) is to warn and admonish from a place of love, and of course to pray. If theyre charities (and I suspect many of them will be) then theyre monitored by OSCR, and will have to submit yearly, independently audited, accounts. Give me one example of Kellers irreverence? 2023 The Christian Broadcasting Network, Inc., A nonprofit 501 (c)(3) Charitable Organization. IN terms of his preaching we do disagree. document.getElementById( "ak_js_1" ).setAttribute( "value", ( new Date() ).getTime() ); Enter your email address to subscribe to this blog and receive notifications of new posts by email. As for your other points, Matt Chandlers church eventually acted only after a number of Christian magazines and websites had highlighted their initial inaction. I can write the e-mails. Elevation Church were accused of getting volunteers to come forward during the spontaneous baptism services, in order to encourage others to get up out of their seats. David, you seem so eager to fire off your stock answers and insults that it sometimes appears that you havent properly read the comments first. Will you not come and revive us? My main problem about the teaching is that it seems to be so man/woman centred. Ive only just seen the comments you wrote yesterday, Sunday, and again today. [11] From 1966 to 1969, MacArthur was hired as the faculty representative for Talbot Theological Seminary. I'm a bank robber. If I was a young Christian I know I could have easily been swept along with this stuff it seems such an attractive message, and he is such an attractive man. "[18], MacArthur is a cessationist, holding that the "sign gifts" (such as prophecy) described in the Bible were temporarily granted to the apostles to authenticate the origin and truth of the scriptures, and that at the close of the Apostolic Age these gifts had served their purpose and ceased to be granted. Opinion Preston Clegg. MacArthur responded "unqualified" and proceeded to argue that Furtick, pastor of Elevation Church, was not qualified, by Biblical standards, to be a pastor. You were rightthat was not very mature. As for the scandal yes I was aware of it. We even had the background high pitched sentimental organ music towards the end as he told the (with a tear in his eye) the sad story of his dad, especially when he turned up to hear his son preach for 24 hours to mark the publication of his latest book. It is quite shocking. Pastor John MacArthur on Sunday commended GraceLife Church in Alberta, Canada, which is meeting in secret after the Royal Canadian Mounted Police (RCMP) barricaded their building behind three layers of chain link fence. John MacArthur is the pastor-teacher of Grace Community Church, as well as an author, conference speaker, chancellor of The Master's University and Seminary, and featured teacher with the Grace to You media ministry. We are pleased to report that he is doing well," Grace Community Church wrote Monday on their website. Finally that book! or redistributed. In 2012, at the annual Shepherd's Conference, MacArthur was participating in a word association questionnaire when the moderator gave the name "Steven Furtick." Its always good to get correction! All rights reserved. PS Im a huge Chandler fan over here. You also muddied the waters by dropping in a juicy wee bit of gossip about a child sex abuse scandal. The news clip above catalogues the controversy about his $1.8 million new build house caused. Legal Statement. Uh, John MacArthur Is Urging His Church to Stop Supporting Religious Freedom . Im sorry, but I didnt state that I had written to you in love, though I did try very hard to temper my comment to you. 3) Its not Furtick who will save the world from hate, crime, drugs etc. As for his preaching, we will disagree. False teachers and those who allow the Word of God to be compromised are like a cancer in the church; some who preach flat out heresy are like the aggressive cancer and are easy to spot quickly but others who compromise a bit here and turn a blind eye there are akin to the slow growing tumour thats often not picked up until great damage is done. I was somewhat alarmed by the endorsement of Matt Chandler as a good example of how the gospel should be preached and lived.. Then you will remember your evil ways and your wicked deeds, and you will loathe yourselves for your sins and detestable practices. On top of that, MacArthur also took a salary from Grace Community Church that was "well within the upper-medium range" for California church employees, according to Johnson's 2014 statement. So issuing a challenge to either support them or decry them is meaningless. G White I am really sorry to read your last reply. And after 63 years of sacrificial kindness to our city, to be repeatedly threatened with court-ordered efforts to shut Grace Community Church down when no one is sick reveals an inexplicable preference for a mostly harmless virus over the life-enriching and necessary fellowship of the church., As for MacArthurs own battle against COVID-19, the 82-year-old pastor was absent from the pulpit on Dec. 27, 2020. "Many of you are praying for Pastor Johns health due to his absence from the pulpit during the second service. If you stop and think about what you have written you will I hope grasp what is wrong with it. But it takes a lot of hard work, time, and money to do what we do. But again I explained why I chose Dallas. Now of course the labourer is worthy of his hire, and it is not a sin to be rich. Im afraid that you are talking about something you do not really know about and picking on one particular church why? No-one can find out what Pastor Stephen is paid, although it is decided by a committee of out of town pastors/advisors (who are probably on the same arrangement). This was sourced through interviews with ex-Grace Community Church Elder Hohn Cho. The point I made about Matt Chandler himself is that it took the pressure from outside his church to galvanise him into doing something. Your comment about owning churches is actually ban on the mark. Truth in love. These views raised controversy within American evangelicalism and were challenged in print by non-lordship dispensationalist theologians Charles Ryrie and Zane C. Hodges, who argued that MacArthur's ministry was teaching a form of works-based salvation. I challenged that because I regard these as serious charges and not to made lightly against a Christian brother. Here is Kate Shellnut: Last year, Hohn Cho concluded Grace Community Church had made a mistake. Why shouldnt he? The Good Contrary to expectations I am not one of those Calvinist ministers who automatically discounts any church which grows beyond a couple of hundred, as being a mega fake, doctrinally incorrect, pseudo church. I did read your comments. It has that effect on people to go from 14 to 20,000 so go sit underneath the ministry until you can see what he sees. Is this success? To be sure he writes from a certain perspective, as you do, but he presented his case quite calmly using documented and verifiable evidence. . Sums it all up. He argued at the time that such mandates violated constitutionally protected religious liberties. Their influence has been growing and recently . I know of individuals who actually talk openly about having a church!!! Have mercy! In case theology and ecclesiology sounds almost too technical and dulljust remember we are talking about who is God, and what is his church? Help us continue to be a voice for truth in the media by supporting CBN News for as little as $1. MacArthur told her she needed to model for her children how to "suffer for Jesus" by enduring David's abuse. John MacArthur, pastor of the popular Grace Community megachurch, is recovering from a sudden onset of illness. Last summer I had the privilege to attend and worship at an Acts 29 church plant in Shepherds Bush, and I pray that God would plant more churches like it across the UK. 'Changed My Whole Entire Being': Ex-Strip Club Owner Born Again, Now Works to Help Victims of Sex Trafficking, US Cracks Down, Bans TikTok on All Federal Phones. It just looks weird. Thanks again, Your email address will not be published. He also read a heartfelt letter that the church's pastor sent to MacArthur's congregation. [16][17], Central to MacArthur's theology is a very high view of scripture (the 66 books of the Protestant Bible). [12], MacArthur's daily radio and television program, Grace to You, now broadcast throughout much of the world, was created by the Grace media team to publicize audio cassettes of sermons; in 1977, it was first broadcast in Baltimore, Maryland. There is no legalism or self-righteous pride in anything I said. To ignore its message is to snub that which the Holy Spirit inspired. Its wrong to mock and you should try to win them over without mockery. Whites equation of Chandler with Furtick being one such example, your comparison of Matt Chandler with Scott McKenna being another. Los Angeles County had sued the church and its pastor, John MacArthur, last August after officials said he had he opened the church and held a large indoor worship service with unmasked attendees . It is indeed a blessto have a fellowship with God the Father, God the Son and God the Holy Spirit and indeed the Lord reigns. From 20052015, MacArthur made about $3.4 million in compensation from GTY and TMUS, for an average of about $320,000/year. Firstly in the teaching. Grace Community Church, home to pastor-teacher John MacArthur, is located in Sun Valley, California and has been faithfully proclaiming God's Word since 1956. John MacArthur is the pastor of Grace Community Church in SunValley, California, a neighborhood in Los Angeles. Besides, they get into the habit of being idle and going about from house to house. Marantha! And this from a Scottish leader of an American megachurch wonderful stuff again , Pastor, Writer, Debater, Blogger, Scot, Dundonian, married to Annabel.with three grown up children and two grandchildren.View all posts by theweeflea. Either way the theory that a pastor should be poor is ignorant. David, you try very hard to always get the last word and I knew that the question you asked was loaded. If you want an alternative from another megachurch pastor, then listen to this from Matt Chandler preached at Elevation (I think it was not actually posted at the time because it upset people but I may be wrong). (You can read the follow up five years later! For what its worth, I fully support your stand in almost everything else. I wasnt doing that either which a plain reading of the text will confirm. The preachers admission came amid news that Grace Community Church in Sun Valleyreceived an $800,000 settlement from Los Angeles County after defying pandemic-induced health orders. I made no comment on how Matt Chandler lives as a Christian.you didyou declared I was somewhat alarmed by the endorsement of Matt Chandler as a good example of how the gospel should be preached and lived.. Why do you think I should apologise for my Amazon remarks (which were simply that I could only find it on my Amazon feed at 30)? There is nothing more basic than these. And if you do wish to engage here, I would find it helpful if you answered my questions and stick to the point otherwise such threads just become a string of accusations. Your endorsement of Williams book which I have now read is indicative of that. I have not misrepresented what you said. More here: https://mrayton.wordpress.com/tag/john-macarthur/, Thanks very helpfulalthough I think that the money and the me focus are a key part of the false teaching. March 5, 2021 . But in this instance let me assure you I am not mocking. He has been the pastor of Grace Community Church, a non-denominational church in Sun Valley, California since February 9, 1969. Perhaps then a mature and open discussion could then take place. "[37], MacArthur is an outspoken critic of same-sex marriage, the ordination of women, the Roman Catholic Church, and the social justice movement. Can I suggest a little more humility? I hope this mature and open enough for you! Just a couple of verses from Ezekiel (which I am currently reading), the context being God restoring his people: He states, "You must receive Jesus Christ for who He is, both Lord and Savior, to be truly saved (2 Peter 2:20). by RELEVANT. 2023 FOX News Network, LLC. Can I assume that you are now withdrawing the remark about Matt Chandler not being a good example of how the gospel should be preached and lived? I stated that the danger comes from false teachers AND from those who allow the word of God to be compromised by turning a blind eye. PPS. "[23][24], In 1983, MacArthur first published his belief in the doctrine of "incarnational sonship." issued his own declaration against the county, John MacArthur Warns Christians to Stop Making 'Alliances With Satan' in Remarks on Religious Liberty, Falsely Accused: John MacArthur's Grace Community Church 'Cleared of COVID-19 Outbreak', but Battle Rages On, 'It's Tyranny': Pastor MacArthur Will Get His Day in Court, Fighting CA Shutdown of Churches, Historic Win: John MacArthur Claims Victory in Lawsuit Over Church Restrictions, After Asbury Shutters Revival Services, Outpouring Moved to Lexington Arena: See Full Video Here, 'I Prayed in the Name of Jesus, and He Answered': Heroes Rescue 17,000 While 'Saving Aziz' in Afghanistan. Yes, some of it is biblical and Furtick is a good communicator, amusing, connected etc.but a great deal appears to pay only passing lip service to the Bible. That is just nuts. I might write a review later but the book is dreadful Mark Driscoll and Tim Keller, for example, are frequently careless and irreverent in the way they use Scripture. Really? When you are ready argue about what is being said here, not what is not being said. New International Version I know in theory you agree with He must increase, I must decrease as do I. I repeat again that I am aware of the failings of the mega church system and celebrity pastors. And now I have to go and read his recommended book I hope its not as bad as the reviews suggest! Mike no one is saying that a pastor should be poor. And what is your position, from Scripture, on the subject? If he is doing wrong it will come out in the wash but just to hate on a pastor because he has money is stupid. And it is culturally not relevant to us at all! A point you also mentioned. Also available on most smart TVs and streaming services. Its not that difficult to grow large congregations which teach heresy if you think size is an indication of faithfulness then why are you not a Muslim, a Mormon or a Moonie?! Its only your perception and I would deny it. Just to settle this bit of your disagreement: http://www.amazon.co.uk/New-Calvinists-ES-Williams/dp/1908919329/, Wonderful thanksnow I can read it on my KindleI have no idea why that did not show on my Amazon page. Market data provided by Factset. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I3BN1lStbIw. Excellent post! The writer of Hebrews 12:14 states frankly that only those who continue living holy lives will enter the Lord's presence." Im afraid that the influence of the US mega churches such as Elevation is felt throughout the world. Quotes displayed in real-time or delayed by at least 15 minutes. But, thank God, I have been able to study the bible for 50 years and, although I acknowledge that I have probably only scratched the surface of the riches of His grace, I do not recognise Furticks message as balanced and biblical. (Genaro Molina / Los Angeles Times via Getty Images), Even as the pastor was sick, the church elder remained upbeat, adding, "Its pretty pretty amazing we have guys with sermons in their Bibles wherever you go and so Mikes going to be here.". "[7][8] MacArthur followed in his father's footsteps to enroll at the fundamentalist Bob Jones College from 1957 to 1959. We stray from scripture at out peril: http://www.whatisthegospel.org.uk. In 1960, after a year off, he was accepted to the Free Methodist Churchs Los Angeles Pacific College, where in his senior year he observed two games of football, going on field once for one play (see 1962 yearbook statistics). Join Transformation church Sunday service at 11AM with Michael Todd, Live Stream (April-24-2022). [19] He is one of the most prominent voices in American Christianity against the continuationist beliefs of Pentecostalism and the Charismatic Movement, which assert that God continues to confer sign gifts today. Opinion Mark Wingfield. . I live maybe two hours from the Village and have visited twice. Jenna . Btw, yes Im a pastor of a tiny church and I have worked multiple jobs all 20 years I have been at the church to make ends meet. Whether you are a legalist or not I dont know. If that is the last word then so be it. | Screenshot: YouTube/Grace to You Prominent pastor and theologian John MacArthur has come under fire after a video resurfaced of him taking issue with the idea of "religious freedom," with some Christian speakers debating whether his comments were taken out of context. More a worry that this kind of thing will take deeper root here. Quotes displayed in real-time or delayed by at least 15 minutes. A decade later, he announced he had retracted this view via an article from Grace to You. Then there is the whole question of what the church is about. I agree that the greatest threat to the church comes from false teachingas you will know if you read this blog. Excellent post David. Despite the considerable influence that they all had, they chose instead to publically endorse him. [27][28][29], MacArthur describes himself as a "leaky dispensationalist. If the cap fits.on the other hand if it doesnt then I accept your apology! But to me that is clear what it is. In October 2013, his church hosted a conference called "Strange Fire" to mark the launch of a book of the same name. "[43] Moore responded to this stance by stating on her Twitter account, "I did not surrender to a calling of man when I was 18 years old. I dont do stock answers. Im afraid your post is a classic example of taking a bible verse out of context and using it, whether ignorantly or deliberately to defend sin. And I wasnt using any of the debating society tricks of tu quoque and ad hominem in anything that I said. Weve been getting those kind of signals for the last number of weeks., A year ago, when county officials were trying for the fourth time to obtain a court order to shutter Grace Community Church, MacArthurissued his own declaration against the county, which he argued was impeding on his congregations free exercise of religion by criminalizing activity directly required by our faith. He went on to state the church has moral and religious obligations to continue allowing our congregants to gather in our sanctuary to worship the Lord., The utter unnecessary deprivation of all our people by completely shutting down the mutual love and care that sustains our people in all the exigencies, pressures, and challenges of life was cruel, he said. It is a serious breach of the ninth commandment to defame someone in this manner. The Church of England's compromise on same-sex relationships is disastrous for everyone. I find this very revealing. I have read only one or two books by John Piper and Timothy Keller and dont really know much about them. If I had said that I wasnt happy with any mega church, that would have been a fault as well. Can you forget your ministries, your programs, and your visions and instead seek to follow Christs? [25], MacArthur has stated that he opposes both "male chauvinist and feminist views. There is nothing that makes me believe in God and the Gospel more than the church in all its beauty, and there is nothing makes me doubt more than the church in all its ugliness. It is an appalling rant already and Ive only read the first couple of chapters. ", MacArthur is married to his wife, Patricia. This is a really long post that deals almost exclusively, unfortunately, with secondary issues (church size, communications gifts, me focus, salary, wealth, size of house, and more) and thereby obscures the central and clarifying point of Furticks ministry. A prominent elder at John MacArthur's Grace Community Church (GCC) has resigned, stating in email leaked to The Roys Report that his "conscience and convictions" were not aligned with other GCC elders. [41] MacArthur compared the assertion that sexual orientation is a born trait to a hypothetical bank robber's protestation, "I keep robbing banks, but I'm a robber. Even though it was only a couple of pounds I regret wasting the money. One of the victims (Eileen Gray) in particular was shamed publically in front of the congregation by MacArthur for divorcing a David Gray who later was convicted of aggravated child molestation, corporal injury to a child, and child abuse. Elevation Church's revival is seeing some theological controversy. You are aware of them as you demonstrated when writing about Mr Furtick. Hell is not something to be used as a curse word it is real. Submitted by escamp on August 31, 2015 - 3:04pm. Sadly so. This material may not be published, broadcast, rewritten, Has First Dallas never handled any controversy or discipline case wrong? MacArthur has written three books on the subject. There are doubtless many things wrong with Chandler (hes a Baptist for a start!) Find a Church . John MacArthur was able to summarize Furtick as a minister with one word: unqualified. I'm a bank robber."[41]. JOIN Elevation Church Sunday Service with Steven Furtick at 2PM, 5PM, 8PM, 10PM, Live Stream (December-12-2021). See what mine own hands have wrought. Citing Dallas Baptist because you knew a young man who went there. The digressive discussion of church trappings in some ways diminishes the toxic nature of this actual ministry content its danger isnt in size or wealth or me focus, it is in the false gospel it promotes he is not qualified to preach. They do things right. MacArthur 12 having been Jul 25, 2017 - Explore Rhonda Johnson's board "Elevation Church", followed . As he walked across the stage July 26 to the large, wooden pulpit, the auditorium that seats 3,500 people was filled with non-masked, non-socially distanced conservative . For you to say that I did makes you guilty of the thing you wrongly accuse me of and it is quite reprehensible. MacArthur is a strong proponent of expository preaching, and has been acknowledged by Christianity Today as one of the most influential preachers of his time. But you came on to my blog and posted something which is typical of the new legalists and endorsed a book which attacks gospel preachers such as Keller, Piper and the Proc Trust. I have nothing to be jealous of as regards Furtick. https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=youtu.be&v=vvjMUrPUfC4&app=desktop. But anyone who writes on my blog and brings such serious accusations is going to have to provide evidence, and you will be challenged. Please do not excuse sin and blasphemy. MacArthur, 83, was preaching Sunday service earlier this week when he reportedly said he felt ill. ", "New Covenant Theology Compared With Covenantalism", "Why Every Calvinist Should Be a Premillennialist, Part 1", "Megapastor John MacArthur says 'no one is gay', compares homosexuality to adultery", "L.A. megachurch pastor mocks pandemic health orders, even as church members fall ill", "Fact Check-CDC comorbidity figures presented in sermon do not undermine deadliness of COVID-19", "L.A. County could pay $400,000 settlement to church that fought COVID-19 mandates", "John MacArthur and Grace Community Church win $800,000 settlement from California and L.A. County", https://www.christianitytoday.com/news/2023/february/grace-community-church-elder-biblical-counseling-abuse.html, "Questions and Answers -- Patricia MacArthur", https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=John_MacArthur_(American_pastor)&oldid=1142238580, This page was last edited on 1 March 2023, at 07:45. http://thewartburgwatch.com/?s=Matt+chandler&x=0&y=0 This photo posted to Twitter by Phil Johnson shows a full sanctuary at Grace Church on Sunday, July 26, 2020. Sitting in a restaurant in Charleston, North Carolina, we were delighted to meet a group of four men, who included a young man from the UK, who was working for a church called Elevation in Charlotte. He is currently the chancellor emeritus of The Master's University in . The biggest threat to the church comes not from fundamentalist atheists or those of another religion, it comes from within. Powered and implemented by FactSet Digital Solutions. He has been the pastor-teacher of Grace . So it would be a bit premature to throw them on a bonfire another example of your sly prose which was unwarranted. In 1969, after graduating from Talbot Theological Seminary, John came to Grace Community Church. 5) Yes the legalism one still stands. Notify me of follow-up comments by email. One other thing is that success can get to ones head. I dont know enough to say anything about the worship, church structure and other ministries of the church, so I wont. John MacArthur, senior pastor of Grace Community Church in Los Angeles and founder of his ministry Grace to You, was one of the reported 4,000 pastors who preached last Sunday against. This submission to Jesus as Lord when converting to faith in Jesus Christ became known to Arminians as the Lordship salvation controversy in the 1980s. He did say that some of his views reflected the old style Liberation Theology and Social Gospel, confusion over eternal punishment and other things. Mutual Fund and ETF data provided by Refinitiv Lipper. [15], Nearly 43 years after beginning in the pulpit of Grace Community, MacArthur completed one of his own life goals,[2] that of preaching through the entire New Testament on June 5, 2011. 3) You respond by providing no evidence and say that you are not against mega churches. The truth is whether it is a mega church pastor in the US, or a small church pastor in Scotland, it is not OUR church, it is HIS. Tim Keller as an anti-Christian preacher is nonsense.it is the kind of irrational ranting legalism that I was mentioning at the beginning.very very sad that you endorse it! Anyone at least you have persuaded me to read the book I hope it is not a waste of good time! If you were not speaking about Chandler then why write it here? [13] In 1985, MacArthur was made President of Los Angeles Baptist College, now The Master's University, a four-year Christian liberal-arts college. 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