With Davante Adams off to Las Vegas, Jones is a candidate to finish as one of Green Bay's top two or three pass-catchers. WR4 Darnell Mooney, Chi (Pick: 6.4 | Bye: 14) It's not that I don't think Stewart is worth the price I paid for him, but my hands were tied on any acquisitions thereafter. 92. WebMock Drafts Draft Kit Cheat Sheets Draft Analysis Mock Draft Report Card Quick Match Play a Quick Match Meet Your Match Join a fairly and automatically matched Head-to 22. K1 Tyler Bass, Buf (Pick: 16.6 | Bye: 7) 2023 Fantasy Baseball Mock Draft: Salary cap (auction) results for Head-to-Head (H2H) points league. Terry McLaurin, WR, Commanders -- Hartwell 1, 42. WR2 Mike Williams, LAC (Pick: 4.1 | Bye: 6) Team Byrum6. Kyler Murray, QB, Cardinals -- Hartwell 1, 62. 104. 1, NHL trade tracker: Chychrun has new team; Quick era ends, No. For those who don't feel like spending an hour in a fantasy mock draft room, our staff at NBC Sports Boston teamed up to hold a 10-team mock draftwith half-point PPR scoring and a standard roster (one QB, two RBs, two WRs, one TE, one RB/WR/TE, one K, one DEF, six bench spots). Marquez Valdes-Scantling, KC (WR51) -- Clay George Maselli, Fantasy Editor 4. RB3 Devin Singletary, Buf (Pick: 5.5 | Bye: 7) This list is updated every thirty minutes and does not include drafts currently in progress. 128. 147. Michael Carter, NYJ (RB44) -- Bowen Deebo Samuel, WR, 49ers -- Hartwell 1. Miles Sanders is in a contract year with the Eagles and has underwhelmed in three seasons since getting drafted in the second round. WR2 A.J. K1 Harrison Butker, KC (Pick: 16.1 | Bye: 8) ***2021 ADP FANTASY FOOTBALL DRAFT GUIDE AVAILABLE***To get a copy visit the OFFICIAL ADP website or reach out via email!https://www.alldaypigskin.com/E-mail: AllDayPigskinFF@gmail.com Snag a copy for just $7.50 ! Did your strategy work? Michael Thomas, WR, Saints -- Madden 2, 38. But sometimes you just need to see how it all plays out. When he went for $30 I was disappointed. Fantasy football mock drafts are critically important for understanding player value. Where a player is being drafted in these free NFL fantasy mocks will help you know where to pick them in your real draft on draft day. This list is updated every thirty minutes and does not include drafts currently in progress. RB2 Cam Akers, LAR (Pick: 3.5 | Bye: 8) But considering the alternative would have been going entirely stars and scrubs, I think it resulted well. Saquon Barkley, NYG (RB15) -- Moody JuJu Smith-Schuster, KC (WR35) -- Dopp, 81. Cam Akers, LAR (RB14) -- Loza It isnt as sexy of a pick as previously-selected wideouts like Stefon Diggs or JaMarr Chase, but it could wind up being just as lucrative. "And by grabbing Floyd ($3), I feel like I minimized any potential damage not having Jackson could do. I want to start over. Javonte Williams, RB, Broncos -- Madden 2. Stats powered by FantasyData.com. 137. RB2 Leonard Fournette, TB (Pick: 2.8 | Bye: 11) Did your strategy work? Good luck and thank you for playing with ESPN Fantasy football this season! Three of the four analysts have different picks for the No. There isn't a clear-cut No. 33. The 2023 NFL combine will take place atLucas Oil Stadiumin Indianapolis, home of the Indianapolis Colts. Are you already getting the itch for 2023 best ball drafting? WR4 Chris Godwin, TB (Pick: 6.7 | Bye: 11) Last-minute pickups TE1 Dalton Schultz, Dal (Pick: 8.2 | Bye: 9) Bills D/ST, Buf (D/ST1) -- Bowen Round-by-round targets for your 14-team Non-PPR draft. D/ST1 Commanders D/ST, Wsh (Pick: 16.10 | Bye: 14), QB1 Aaron Rodgers, GB (Pick: 13.2 | Bye: 14) If you want accurate rankings, you've come to the right place. WR1 Stefon Diggs, Buf (Pick: 2.4 | Bye: 7) 2 wide receiver, and knowing the money left on the table -- 16.4 percent of the total available dollars were remaining at the time and six of the next nine receivers sold in the double digits -- I figured either alternative would cost almost as much, if not more. Amon-Ra St. Brown, WR, Lions -- Madden 1, 73. 60. 118. the auction values are 47. 5-man starting rosters. Keenan Allen, WR, Chargers -- Jasie 1. Analysis:Not a lot of surprises in the first round with a few weeks of training camp already in the books. 5. RB5 Kareem Hunt, Cle (Pick: 8.5 | Bye: 9) Plus, I dont want to miss out on an elite running back when the dropoff in RB talent after Round 3 is so steep. Fourteen dollars for a running back with Foster's potential? WR1 Deebo Samuel, SF (Pick: 2.1 | Bye: 11) K1 Justin Tucker, Bal (Pick: 14.3 | Bye: 10) Darren's analysis: Samuel is a running back disguised as a wide receiver, which is immensely valuable from a fantasy perspective. There weren't really any other top-20 receivers remaining on my list around when I got him, other than Mike Wallace. 106. Team DePrisco3. How far can Nick Bosa and the 49ers go? 14. Yes, being patient and waiting for bargains worked out very well. One specific thing I often do is wait to bid on a player until later into the clock and the bidding, almost an eBay-like approach in that I want the price to rise from outside demand and not my interest. 130. Hunter Renfrow, LV (WR45) -- Dopp If McCaffrey can stay healthy, he could easily be RB1 in fantasy. K1 Matt Gay, LAR (Pick: 15.1 | Bye: 8) 1. Christian McCaffrey, Car (RB3) -- Clay I'll admit I forgot how good it could be. D/ST1 Buccaneers D/ST, TB (Pick: 15.5 | Bye: 11), QB1 Russell Wilson, Den (Pick: 11.6 | Bye: 9) 115. Auction strategy: You can't be afraid to spend for the talent that you want. But we don't have that. You can e-mail him here, or follow him on Twitter @SultanofStat. Hunter Henry, TE, Patriots -- Madden 2, 85. And which other notable receivers were still available in Round 4? Overall, though, 10-teamers are made for studs and duds, because the duds aren't really duds.". 57. Elijah Moore, NYJ (WR34) -- Triplett Matthew Stafford, QB, Rams --Goss 2, 126. Stroud 2023 NFL Draft profile, scouting report, Jalen Carter 2023 NFL Draft profile, scouting report, Bryce Young 2023 NFL Draft profile, scouting report, Will Anderson Jr. NFL Draft profile, scouting report, NFL combine 2023: Dates, times, how to watch, prospects, Durant Era in Phoenix has the air of inevitability, Morant accused of punching teen, threatening security, Iowa St. dismisses Grill, adding to late-season woes, NFLPA team report cards: Commanders fail; Vikes No. Team Bijan5. WR6 Chris Olave, NO (Pick: 11.2 | Bye: 14) We feature a starting lineup of QB, 2 RB, 2 WR, TE and FLEX (RB/WR/TE) with six reserves for a 13-round draft. The more touches he gets, the more TDs hell score. K1 Matt Prater, Ari (Pick: 16.8 | Bye: 13) I will want not the best quarterback, but certainly a top-six/seven option, and a pair of top-10 running backs. If every kicker sells for $1, as they should, why not ensure you get the one you want right off the bat? Now, at the time, I was unaware of his strategy, but that's a great level of confidence in there being enough cheap bids in the latter stages. He's not a bona fide WR1, but I like the strategy of taking two top running backs (McCaffrey and Swift) early. 34. Team Weyrich11. 142. 122. I usually budget 55-60 percent of my dollars to running back, about 30 percent to wide receiver, then fill in with the rest. Another $27, meanwhile, was spent on a running back (McCoy) getting his first chance to start in the NFL. 7. RB6 Tyler Allgeier, Atl (Pick: 13.5 | Bye: 14) Pat Freiermuth, TE, Steelers --Goss 2, 106. Remember, auctions don't only take into account player values; the timing of a player's sale has so much to do with the strategy. Amari Cooper, Cle (WR31) -- Clay Rhamondre Stevenson, RB, Patriots -- Madden 1, 56. Analysis: After eight running backs came off the board in Round 1, six more went in Round 2. Rhamondre Stevenson, NE (RB26) -- Moody The one that got away: Without a doubt, it was C.J. Jamaal Williams, Det (RB51) -- Moody This is a mock draft for a PPR league, giving one point to players per each reception they make during games. 113. RB1 Nick Chubb, Cle (Pick: 2.3 | Bye: 9) Aaron Jones, RB, Packers -- Hartwell 1. WR2 Terry McLaurin, Wsh (Pick: 4.8 | Bye: 14) RB2 Breece Hall, NYJ (Pick: 4.7 | Bye: 10) Yes. WR6 Joshua Palmer, LAC (Pick: 13.1 | Bye: 6) If you only have so much time to prep and you don't feel like spending a ton of time sitting in a mock draft lobby, fear not. 76. I actually think that's a good price on him, but after seeing Tony Romo go for $22 much later, I wish I had waited. 156. 1 target to start the second round is a no-brainer. 136. 13. Keep in mind there are only 31 picks in the first round this year, after the Dolphins were stripped of their first-round selection due to multiple violations of NFL rules. Teamed with Chase, it should lead to elite point scoring at the position. 21. Chris Olave, NO (WR46) -- Triplett The full draft results -- complete with pick-by-pick analysis for the first three rounds -- are below. 153. With $500K on the line and just 1 player per team, we're looking at every angle heading into the NFL playoffs to help you set the optimal fantasy football lineup. 127. Travis Kelce, KC (TE1) -- Triplett 1s of the world. Evan McPherson, K, Bengals -- Goss 2, 140. Ezekiel Elliott, RB, Cowboys -- Goss 2. Here's the lineup for Day 1: Half the fun of draft season is projecting all the different scenarios up top, and our draft experts will have you covered with first-round forecasts (and more) all offseason. 116. That's where the fantasy football mock draft comes in. 140. WebMock Draft ESPN Fan Support Have a question about ? It's also worth noting the first quarterbacks went in the fourth round as well in Josh Allen and Patrick Mahomes. Miles Sanders, Phi (RB29) -- Fulghum Where a player is being drafted in these free TE1 Darren Waller, LV (Pick: 6.8 | Bye: 7) Do Not Sell My Personal Information, Practice for your salary cap baseball drafts. and Fantasy Pros. Jack Capotorto, CBS Sports HQ Producer 3. I took Nicks a bit before halfway, pretty good value at $12, I think, but I wanted to have a fallback option in case he doesn't work out. Davante Adams, LV (WR6) -- Loza Aaron Rodgers, QB, Packers -- Jasie 1. Adam's analysis:Chase is coming off a rookie year in which he broke the receiving yards record for a rookie and had two 100-yard playoff games. If he can put it all together though, he's the kind of receiver who can make Mitchell Trubisky look like an All-Pro. I'll probably take more chances at wide receiver, getting depth and hoping someone steps up. Did your strategy work? 44. *Cheat Sheets* It happens to all of us who participate in auctions. Zamir White, LV (RB49) -- Karabell 27. Davante Adams, WR, Raiders -- Madden 1. RB4 James Robinson, Jax (Pick: 9.9 | Bye: 11) 160. 32 NFL teams, 32 looming free agent decisions: Which players will return to their team? Matt Prater, Ari (K9) -- Clay Here's everything you need to know: The 2023 NFL Scouting Combine will take place from Feb. 28 through March 6. Tee Higgins, Cin (WR12) -- Kaiser 82. Jalen Hurts, QB, Eagles -- Hartwell 2, 80. Peter's analysis:When hes not throwing TDs for arguably the AFCs best team, hes scrambling for yards and cheap TDs on the ground. 148. 38. You don't currently have any notifications, Copyright 2010- FantasyPros.com Position rankings and lists of sleepers and busts are very helpful ways to prepare for your fantasy football draft. Mike Williams, WR, Chargers -- Leger 2, 46. Peter's analysis:Not a ton of elite tight end options and while the Falcons likely wont be very good, his talent is too good to pass up in the third round. I still think a $34 Charles is a potential steal, but I was happy with my top two backs in the end. If you think the highest single bid in your league is going to be $75 of the $200 budget, then the values are in proportion to that. The one that got away: Arian Foster. In my least successful auction drafts I've been too frugal on the costly talents and have been left with too much dough for the marginal and middling names. K1 Wil Lutz, NO (Pick: 16.9 | Bye: 14) WR5 Kadarius Toney, NYG (Pick: 10.8 | Bye: 9) Clyde Edwards-Helaire, KC (RB30) -- Walder WR1 Justin Jefferson, Min (Pick: 1.6 | Bye: 7) Justin's analysis:Christian McCaffrey seems to be the consensus No. 23. Don't overspend on anyone because, in most cases, there are other solid options at a better price. Russell Wilson, Den (QB8) -- Moody And who sits ahead of him on this list? 2 wide receiver, and to a lesser degree flex, could be a concern for Mass, being that he's going to need someone to step up from a five-man group that cost a combined $20. Darren's analysis: I debated going with Javonte Williams here, but Jones is the safer bet as Aaron Rodgers' trusted security blanket out of the backfield. Diontae Johnson, Pit (WR21) -- Karabell Amon-Ra St. Brown, Det (WR25) -- Kaiser At that point, it became clear I'd take the best quarterbacks available at the end and get them for a dollar. You'll find the dollar amounts each site recommends for each player Rashod Bateman, Bal (WR32) -- Bowen RB3 Josh Jacobs, LV (Pick: 7.4 | Bye: 7) Daniel Carlson, K, Raiders --Leger 1, 149. WR5 Brandon Aiyuk, SF (Pick: 9.4 | Bye: 11) Chris Olave, WR, Saints -- Hartwell 2, 104. 6. James Robinson, Jax (RB38) -- Kaiser 19. Someone like Logan Gilbert is exactly why I wanted to wait on starting pitching. Fantasy Football Mock Draft: 12-team, PPR results Aug 11, 2022 Photos released of suspects in Brian Robinson Jr. shooting Aug 30, 2022 How the Robinson Jr. situation impacted Washington's roster Aug 30, 2022 Round 4 Analysis: We have the first two quarterbacks off the board, and neither are Patrick Mahomes. Marvin Jones Jr., Jax (WR54) -- Moody 54. Gabriel Davis, Buf (WR20) -- Dopp Mark Andrews, Bal (TE2) -- Dopp Pick I regret: I don't really regret any of my buys, at least not at the prices I got them. Christian McCaffrey, RB, Panthers -- Hartwell 2. Team Todd9. Team Ethan7. Adam's analysis:Josh Allen is projected to be the No. Is tomorrow good? *Expert Advice* See who the experts would draft for every single pick to help you make the best decision. TE1 Mark Andrews, Bal (Pick: 3.1 | Bye: 10) Dotson and Moore could prove to be steals later this season if they can develop chemistry with their respective quarterbacks. Then comes the 2023NFL Draft, perhaps the biggest event of the year in terms of foundational team-building. In an auction draft, we can all bid on Christian McCaffrey. For a while, I was regretting paying $59 for Rice, because players became much cheaper soon after that, but I'm not convinced I would've wound up with better players overall had I not ponied up, so I'm cool with how things played out. 19. 37. RB5 Rachaad White, TB (Pick: 13.7 | Bye: 11) WebFast snake and auction mock draft simulations to practice for your fantasy football draft. I don't think Williams will be $10 better. It's not clear whether each used the same roster settings, but we'll assume 16 roster spots and a starting lineup of: For any player you don't find listed, assume all 3 sites rated him as either a $1 or $0 value. WR1 Davante Adams, LV (Pick: 2.6 | Bye: 7) Darren's analysis:I'm more than happy to pull the trigger on McCaffrey, who averaged more than 20 fantasy points over the five games he played in last season. After Hockenson, the number of viable tight end options in the draft starts to dwindle. So I compiled auction values for 12-team PPR drafting from ESPN, Yahoo! That'd be awesome. The good news was that I got Charles in our mock draft a day later, so it wasn't a total loss. Taylor (for Forte) was the one handcuff he landed, except that Forte only projects as his flex to start the season. K1 Nick Folk, NE (Pick: 16.7 | Bye: 10) 17. 3. RB4 Chase Edmonds, Mia (Pick: 10.10 | Bye: 11) MORE INFORMATION, Fantasy Basketball Points League Rankings, Unlock our premium Yahoo, ESPN & Fantrax league tools with an active Patreon subscription for $2/mo. "Called Out": Crabtree was a clear overbid on my part, especially in comparison to his $13.6 average auction price in standard ESPN leagues (which this mock was). TE2 Hunter Henry, NE (Pick: 15.9 | Bye: 10) Colts D/ST, Ind (D/ST9) -- Moody Will Brinson, Senior NFL Writer 2. I landed arguably the best running back in the NFL in Johnson and got my top-5 wide receiver in Wayne. 13 min read. Adam's analysis:Jefferson has the most receiving yards in NFL history in a players first two seasons and is still only 23. 4.1 | Bye: 11 ) 160 mock draft comes in four analysts have different for., WR, Lions -- Madden 1, six more went in round 2 @. Which players will return to their team White, LV ( WR45 --. 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